Doreen...I left a comment on your Aafuss interview...

I know what you're saying Brad and respect that, just that it is difficult for such a small handfull of us (actually 3 at this moment) to cover so much when we get side tracked w/ that dreaded real life stuff, if we had more time to branch out more we could cover more, but unfortunetly it's not like that so it's hard enough to bring the things we do to the table these days...

as for IRC neither me, crae or ken hang out there at all, so we are not part of any IRC clique, so you're alittle off there...

Shog was a pleasure for me to get to interview cuz of my past history on skinz.org & never really knowing who he was other then him playing referee on the msg board when I upset ppl back then w/ my Doreenosis so getting that opportunity to interview him was fun for me to get to know him alittle better, plain & simple.

"His opinions" were part of the interview but were "not" the main reason for the interview, I simply needed someone to interview for Teknidermy asked him for an interview (never expecting him to say yes) and he did and that was that, I was never one of his many IRC groupies as you may have thought.

I get no pay for admining on artuproar or for Tek, it's all just for enjoyment okay, there's no motives here, I do this stuff for Teknidermy only because I really love the skinning community nuts & all, just like everyone else.

so bottom line is crae, me & ken do this for you guys if it's not good enough to please everyone, we could consider calling issue 11 a final wrap? no use doing it for you guys if it's not doing what it set out to do.

Doreen goes to see what comment Jafo put (now I'm nervous to go look!) hehe

okay Jafo me went there *phew* was expecting the word "Sucker" somewhere mixed in there... hehe
(I think he is just extremely young & different)

Hrm...I wouldn't call it a day just yet, there are far more positive opinions than negative, and the negative ones aren't exactly scathing, just people pointing out their opinions, which they are entitled to do.
Take a look at the articles in this edition.
Of the 7 articles, 1 is an interview with a current skin site owner, and there are 4 interviews with currently active skinners. Perhaps the impression that it's old guard related is because its created by some of the "old guard"? I mean, its going to reflect the personalities and interests of the people who create it, that is a fact of life. Anyhow, it brought to my attention 2 relatively new skinners that I had not yet heard of, so it can't be all bad

Was that a cheap shot?
Now I'm depressed.


No sleep for me tonight - I'll be up worrying about being one of the "old guard"...

yay! I get to explain myself, directed mostly at "the skins factory" for now

"So you're saying that just because they do this for free it's ok for things to be illegible"

Yep, if they are doing it for free then can do what ever they want, plain and simple.

"umm yeh you'll go far in web business."

Again, why the need to talk down to people? ......maybe you have your reasons ..... though I'm not in the "web business" so that's probably a bigger factor against me going far rather than not caring what people put on their own webspace.


Now as far as me pointing out it was free, was not a shot at anyone, just the way it is, and I was thinking much broader than teknidermy. Being that 99% of what is uploaded here and every other skin site is done for free in peoples spare time. I'm sure everyone has there own reasons for uploading, but in the end we get free art/skins so why bitch, don't like it move on. Lots of choices there. *click click*

craeonics is loving this

Content is what pops up really. Not like we're holding weekly staff meetings or anything. We used to, but nothing related to Tek was ever discussed there.

Woha Doreen, talk about double standards.

When Shoggot was calling me "evil" and worse, you were the one defending his right to his "opinion". But when someone offers the most mild of critiques of Tek, you suggest that maybe you guys should just take your ball and go home.

You know, Pat and I did the GUI Olympics on our own time. Like Tek, it was a volunteer effort. So after doing our 60+ hours per week at Stardock, we'd go home and have to dela with stuff like the Consortium and Kenray and Shoggot and other people making striking attacks on us personally and the whole event in general. And we carried through months of this to finish what we started.

And all through those attacks, you, Doreen, were one of the leading voices defending Shoggot's "right" to say vile things about people. So where is the defense of Jesh's or my rights to express an opinion?

Integer: Like I said above, I visit Tek because it has stuff that interests me. But it has changed from being a skinner's journal to being more a a "people magazine" about the personalities of skinners. This particular issue interviews newer skinners (which is good) but the site increasingly feels more like a personal blog.

Heck, Doreen argues that it's pretty much a blog now. Which is fine. I have a blog too. It's a gropu of friends that go out and chat with skinners they like and post the logs from those interviews. Nothing wrong with that. But it always seemed that the goal was to be a skinner's journal to deliver tutorials and advice on tools and actual happenings.

The lack of coverage of the GUI Olympics in Tek is really just a symptom of the difference in views of what some of us thought Tek was going to be versus what it actually is.

Please note that nothing I have said implies that Tek is a bad magazine.

I can't see any change in Tek since it's inception. I just checked the first issue, and it is almost exactly as it is now - it contains interviews with four skinners, and 3 other articles

It keeps coming back to the gui olympics....

Integer thinks that is the real issue here...

I think the GUI Olympics is just a symptom. It would be like a magazine that calls itself "US Foreign Policy Journal" not having any articles on what's happening with Iraq but instead having interviews with Chancelor Schroeder of Germany instead.

The articles section on WinCustomize was created FOR Teknidermy originally. But over time, we've had less and less to link to on Tek because we're not going to link to interviews of skinners.

I don't have an issue with interviews. Only that they seem to be the only thing in this "skinner's journal". That and the not so subtle biases of Kenray.

But what about tutorials? What about close looks at various skinning programs? What about articles on skinning techniques? What about articles on the different skin websites? What about a summary of the major software and skin releases since the previous issue?

Perhaps Teknidermy should be called "People of skinning" or something. I'd still visit it. And at least it would be more about what the site is about.

But what about tutorials?
by Vagrant Frogboy - 10/14/2002 12:25:36 PM

Doreen sees crae's winamp 3 tutorial...

What about close looks at various skinning programs?
by Vagrant Frogboy - 10/14/2002 12:25:36 PM

Doreen sees Ian Stardocks lead dev for pocketblinds (which btw I love pocketblinds now "Thank you Ian!")

What about articles on skinning techniques?
by Vagrant Frogboy - 10/14/2002 12:25:36 PM

/Tek always tries to ask that question from each skinner interviewed...

What about articles on the different skin websites?
by Vagrant Frogboy - 10/14/2002 12:25:36 PM

Doreen just interviewed Artuproar site

What about a summary of the major software and skin releases since the previous issue?
by Vagrant Frogboy - 10/14/2002 12:25:36 PM

Doreen is interviewing Xymantix dev & skinner in this happy skinning community tonight at 7:00

you know what Brad to me, I wonder what went wrong between you and Shog when Shog called you his friend and you called him your friend...

True friends talk smack & get over it and get back to being true friends "OR" they never were friends to begin with maybe?

and one more thing, yeah I stood up and defended Shog! and I also stand up and defend sir aafuss so your point is what about that? I'm confused?

and just cuz you flared up my Doreenosis! I have nothing against you and your opinion Brad I started my original post to you saying: "Quote"

"I know what you're saying Brad and respect that, just that it is difficult for such a small handfull of us (actually 3 at this moment) to cover so much when we get side tracked w/ that dreaded real life stuff, if we had more time to branch out more we could cover more, but unfortunetly it's not like that so it's hard enough to bring the things we do to the table these days..."

and the bottom line is we are only 3 ppl doing the best we can time wise, would you like to sub a GUI olympic article? ken would prob take it?

yes, I would love to see "An INsider History and REview of the GUI O".

Actually, I kinda "assigned" the job on the GUI O story to an outsider, being that myself had already formed strong opinions.

When this person turned in the article, I started trying to "straighten it up" a bit and realized I couldn't. It is a relaly witty piece, but I can't put it up.
You ain't never seen freaking out like what that would cause.

Now personally, I am finding it hard right now to devote time to a volunteer effort that returns so little love.
Dig this: my wife is putting on this benefit concert, totally without a budget, all volunteer (hava lookit http://www.toritribute.com).

all these big name artists like Bob Massey and Herb Leonard just pop outa the woodwork and make considerable contributions..all these artists coming from all these places at their own expense...the whole damn thing just drips love, comraderie and appreciation.

Now, if you had to make a choice as to where you would devote, oh lets say, three hours of your time, where would you put it?

I love reading Dor's interview, Crae's Tuts aand articles, and I still like to do a piece now and again, but time is tighter than it has ever been here at my place, and I am drawn towards the loving by my own nature.

Perhaps Tek has become, in some way, like a "People" magazine of the skinnign world.

there are lots of sites that post press releases, and sites that host skins and have big fun messageboards.

thanks goodness

Hmm, what happened to kenrayone?